Curse

Shasgaliel · Jan 11, 2010, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by ne33us

My versions of what is Grinding / Farming

Grinding.
It is the process to level up a character when the (bad designed) game doesn't give the player alternative ways to enjoy the game's storyline while leveling up.
So, NO CHOICE for the player here.

Farming.
It is the process to achive objectives other than leveling up.
Those objectives are usually not related with the game's storyline, they are optional, so the player has the CHOICE to either farm or not.

Ok if I someone is doing UW 60 times a day it is farming or griding? Does the fact that it is extremely boring and frustrating for this player changing the classification?

qvtkc · Jan 11, 2010, 02:47 PM // 14:47

But why would he do UW 60 times per day if it was that frustrating? It's still his choice. And choosing that just gives him more cash, it doesn't make him better. Many other games like this one makes you grind stuff just so you can be better at some other stuff. And that was one of the complaints over UB if you recall. Some people wanted to join in on the fun of farming DoA, but before they could, they'd have to first grind margonites in that rumbling desert snail, and then they'd have to grind buffaloes and dragon ghosts outside Olafstead. Yes it was also a choice, but a choice that had to be taken in order to play through some other content. And that makes the difference.

Morphy · Jan 11, 2010, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Someone who does the UW 60 times a day and doesn't like doing it is a moron and should commit suicide.

Arduin · Jan 11, 2010, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

Some people wanted to join in on the fun of farming DoA, but before they could, they'd have to first grind margonites in that rumbling desert snail, and then they'd have to grind buffaloes and dragon ghosts outside Olafstead. Yes it was also a choice, but a choice that had to be taken in order to play through some other content. And that makes the difference.

You could very well use Ursan and clear DoA without max Norn rank. Get guildies/alliance, make your own team, hide your rank... So that wouldn't make it grinding, because it is not obligatory.

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Someone who does the UW 60 times a day and doesn't like doing it is a moron and should commit suicide.

I'd say people clear the UW for the endchest, not because it is 'fun'. If the endchest was removed, would people still SC UW?

Morphy · Jan 11, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Arduin

I'd say people clear the UW for the endchest, not because it is 'fun'. If the endchest was removed, would people still SC UW?

Then they're a bunch of retards. I play a game because I want to have fun, not to get some lame-ass item that has no value in real life anyway.

qvtkc · Jan 11, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Arduin

You could very well use Ursan and clear DoA without max Norn rank. Get guildies/alliance, make your own team, hide your rank... So that wouldn't make it grinding, because it is not obligatory.

Cool story bro

I log on and I see my guild has 1 player online and that player happens to be myself. No, you are wrong, a lot of people can't rely on social contacts, they must PUG. And then they are subject to the horrid arbitrariness of other players - such as me. I regularly set up PUG teams myself back in the Ursan days and even though I didn't demand rank 10/8 (norn/LB), I wouldn't accept someone with say 2/2, simply because such a player would be a weak link (and I certainly wouldn't accept someone who hid their rank, no matter what that rank might have been).

All that is beside the point though. I merely said that that was one of the complaints against UB. I didn't say that the complainers were right.

Besides, nothing in a game is obligatory. It's not as if you have to play.

Kenzo Skunk · Jan 11, 2010, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Grinding is for titles - Wisdom is a grindfest, Treasure hunter as well, such as many others. Also doing the same quests and dungeons again and again but with another character is still grinding to me. Basically doing things that have been done before.
Farming on the other hand is still as repetitive as is grind, but the results are visible right away. And you do it for ca$h and the excitement when that particular drop shows up on your screen.
In my case i rarely farm anymore, except for the occasional uw planes run. It`s still thrilling to see that ecto drop

Even after 4 years...

Tullzinski · Jan 11, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Farming is growing food, grinding is what my garbage disposal does.

Shadowspawn X · Jan 11, 2010, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Grind is doing the same thing over and over to advance in the game. Titles are not grind because you do not need to do them to advance in the game. However some titles are like treasure hunter, alliance titles and EoTN reputation titles are so repetitive if they were mandatory they would be grind to the highest degree, but the fact that you don't have to do them makes them not grind even though they have grindy characteristics.

Farming is distasteful as well. If someone wants to spend hours in the troll/rapter cave killing the same creatures over and over more power to them, but most people complete the content of the game and move on. GW seems to be about farming these days because only a farmer can stick around doing the same stuff over and over.

EternalTempest · Jan 11, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

To me farming is grinding.

The one thing I love about guildwars is to get max stat weapons and mods is easy compared to any other online game I've played.

However, there a lot of stuff I want unlocked in the hall of monuments (which again doesn't impact my ability in combat in gw1) that I will grind and/or farm for.

tealspikes · Jan 11, 2010, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Grinding is doing something over and over again to achieve a goal regardless of how fun or boring it might be. (Killing 50 boars to complete the quest or repeating each element the periodic table until you have memorized it for your chem exam are both examples of 'grind')
Farming is an activity in RPG's where the goal is to collect a certain thing (currency, exp, rare item).
Farming often requires grind.

Why do we hate grind, but accept farming?

1. Because Guild Wars does not force you to farm anything to beat the campaign. Before Nightfall farming was mainly for cosmetic purposes. The game is designed so that simply by doing the missions and primary quests, you will have enough exp to level up and enough gold to keep your equipment up to date. Of course you could argue that having to kill mobs over and over again to complete a mission is grinding.

2. Many people here love grinding and don't know it or won't admit it. Anet recognizes this and their latest expansion EotN is meant to meet the needs of the farming community.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 11, 2010, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

lol

Is farming grind? Sure it is, but it's not forced upon you. You can choose to farm, or you can choose to not farm and still be successful in the game, at least insofar that completion of a piece of content depends on your personal skill just as much as it does for a guy who farms 5 hours per day (at least almost, admittedly, rep titles matter a little bit).

If on the other hand you define success as being able to prance around Kamadan dressed in your FoW armor whilst being followed around by the newest most expensive minipet, then yes, you are forced to farm.

I don't define grind as something forced. I definite it as repetitive gameplay. Hence the difference between forced grind, as seen in WoW, and optional grind, as seen in Guild Wars.

DreamWind · Jan 12, 2010, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Um...farming IS grinding. Only difference is the word "grinding" has been given to the type of farming that is required to beat the game. I personally think both farming and grinding are retarded, but some people find fun in the strangest things and I can't take that away from them.

The Drunkard · Jan 12, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Um...farming IS grinding. Only difference is the word "grinding" has been given to the type of farming that is required to beat the game. I personally think both farming and grinding are retarded, but some people find fun in the strangest things and I can't take that away from them.

Though I agree with your message, two things are not the same if they are different from each other.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jan 12, 2010, 08:22 AM // 08:22

If it wasn't for grinding/farming, there would be nothing to do on guildwars. Pvp is worthless due to many broken aspects which leaves pve, which is dead. Guildwars has passed its expiration date, but fans enjoy riding a rotting corpse, obviously. Truthfully, these forums are the most exciting aspect of guildwars now, which is a very sad (and mockingly funny) truth.

Shadowspawn X · Jan 12, 2010, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

If it wasn't for grinding/farming, there would be nothing to do on guildwars.

It depends on how broad a definition you give farming. Pvp and elite areas are all there is to do in GW after you have done the storyline a million times. Some people call it a form of farming and some don't.

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Guildwars has passed its expiration date, but fans enjoy riding a rotting corpse, obviously. Truthfully, these forums are the most exciting aspect of guildwars now, which is a very sad (and mockingly funny) truth.

This made me lol. I just thought about it and I spend way more time reading the forums than playing GW.

QueenofDeath · Jan 12, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Someone who does the UW 60 times a day and doesn't like doing it is a moron and should commit suicide.

Someone that suggests someone should commit suicide should be put in jail!

(also and banned from this forum)

QueenofDeath · Jan 12, 2010, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Um...farming IS grinding. Only difference is the word "grinding" has been given to the type of farming that is required to beat the game. I personally think both farming and grinding are retarded, but some people find fun in the strangest things and I can't take that away from them.

I disagree that farming is grinding. One can farm and do it for fun and nothing else. That is what I do. I decide on play in area(s) I want to play/farm in and I go there and farm till it becomes boring.

Grind is when something becomes boring and repetitive and MUST be done for a reward or growth. Key word there is MUST. Not everyone that farms MUST farm. Everyone that wants a title a piece of special design equipment or to add something to HOM MUST grind though.

So no farming isn't grinding 100%.

Sword Hammer Axe · Jan 12, 2010, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I neither hate or love any of them. I farm if I'm in deep need of quick money (close to never) and I grind for a few titles (EotN ones).

I don't do anything I don't think is fun though. I'm continuously surprised that people actually bore themself with a game they willingly paid money for and no one forces them to play

just my opinion. You can all think what you want about it.

Shuuda · Jan 13, 2010, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Humans are capable of holding contradictory attitudes.